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• just another dreamer • ([personal profile] evocates) wrote2008-08-30 12:50 pm

[FIC] Reborn!: The Ultimate Self-Made Man

... ahahhahaa new fandom? Hibari Kyouya is making me absolutely obsessed over him and Kateikyoshi Hitman Reborn!. Bah.

Kaga, love? This is all your fault.

The Ultimate Self-Made Man – 21 Facts on Hibari Kyouya

Character: Hibari Kyouya, mentions of others
Rating: PG-13
Words: 2110
Summary: “The first memory Hibari had was of blood splashed across a face in glass, and the slow realization that the face was his own.” An attempt to explain Hibari’s backstory.


1.
The first memory Hibari had was of blood splashed across a face in glass, and the slow realization that the face was his own. A moment later, he found the taste to be far more pleasant than anything else he had been fed so far.

2.
At the age of seven, Hibari slipped through the guards and ran away from the Institute that may or may not have made him. He took the left fork at a crossroad and was captured a week later, hiding in an abandoned warehouse. (In another world, he took the right fork and bumped into an old man whom he found out later to be the Ninth Boss of the Vongola. But that is another story for another time.)

When he was returned to the facility, they tied him down and pressed alien things into him, surrounding him with tubes and wires and machines and endless floods of people in white and green and silver, cutting into him and trying to make him bow to their will. Their voices flooded his head, ideas trying to crush his will, but he persisted and he fought because that was simply who he was. The harder they tried to crush him, the stronger he became.

What does not kill you made you stronger.

3.
He named himself “Hibari” for the skylark that flew past his window one day. He decided that he would become that skylark, forever free without anything to tie him down to the earth. “Kyouya” was what they called him – the kanji he chose himself. It did not reflect upon his own attitude towards the world, but the world’s upon him.

4.
Three years after his first attempted escape, the facility was burned down by an organization horrified by what happened there. Hibari dodged the grasps of his so-called rescuers and ran as far and as fast as he could. He only stopped when his legs refused to carry him further and sent him crashing to the floor, in front of Namimori Middle School.

5.
Namimori was the first thing that he ever had; the first thing that belonged to him. The very moment he laid eyes on it, he decided that it was his, and made preparations to make everyone else in the area recognize that fact.

Even a skylark needed a nest to return to at times.

6.
Quite contrary to the name that he had chosen for himself, Hibari saw himself to be a predator. On his third day in Namimori, he saw a wildcat rip the throat of a dog many times its size out. He smiled, showing teeth, and decided that he would ‘bite to death’ anyone would tried to get in his way as well.

7.
Hibari picked up his first pair of tonfas from the back of a weapon store. They were rusty and creaked as he shifted them in his grasp, but the handles fitted his small hands and the weight was comfortable – that was all that mattered.

They made a suitable sound when he slammed them against his first opponent’s face – a crack and a crunch and he was entranced by the sight of blood on silver.

8.
Hibari built up his reputation slowly. First he went after thieves and small-time crooks, using his new pair of tonfas to beat them black and blue and bloody. It wasn’t for justice or to protect Namimori – it was simply that these crooks wouldn’t be able to report him to the police, and they usually had quite a lot of money on them. When he tired of small-time prey, he went after the bigger fishes: the street gangs, the minor yakuza. All of them bowed under his power.

Namimori’s streets had never been safer or more dangerous. His name was being whispered along the shadows of the alleys, spoken in tones of fear and awe and incredulity. Hibari simply smiled.

They had finally started to recognize that Namimori belonged to him.

9.
Anyone who desecrated his property in any form would be ‘bitten to death’. Those who infringed into his town and decided to make a ruckus during spring for the sake of ‘festivals’ or what not would have to pay him rent, and reparations for disturbing the peace.

It was simply logical.

10.
Hibari did not forget about Namimori Middle School – far from it. When he had procured an apartment for his own use (mostly just to fill in the ‘address’ portion of the school admittance form, because he rarely used it), and bought his first uniform, he enrolled himself in the school one day without informing anyone. He picked a classroom that looked out to the sakura tree on the grounds, and seated himself on the window seat.

When the then-President of the Discipline Committee tried to chase him out of the school, Hibari broke his nose, arm, and leg with his bare hands. Then he took the red badge (authority – to make the herbivores recognize his power easily) and pinned it to his own sleeve.

He promoted himself to third year so as to fulfil the condition that the Chairman of a club needed to be a third year – the administration was disappointingly easy to intimidate.

11.
Hibari was the only person in the entire history of Namimori Middle School to repeat third year twice.

His name was imprinted in everyone’s mind but had never appeared in any class namelist. He did not care.

12.
The first time Hibari got a cold, he decided that he should make his power known in the hospital as well.

From then on, the hospital had belonged to him.

13.
To Hibari, soft emotions like affection and friendship were what made herbivores so weak and caused them to herd mindlessly. It was what dragged them down, clipped their claws and talons and tamed them. It made them so terribly dependent on other herbivores, so much that they never pushed themselves because they believed that others would be there to catch them if they fell.

Love, of course, was the worst off them all. It made herbivores even more prone to crowding and making needless noise than all other emotions. It disturbs his school’s peace; created chaos where there used to be order. The very mention of the word made him want to shove a tonfa down the unfortunate herbivore’s throat.

What Hibari understood were things like pride and shame and anger. Those came to him as naturally as battle; as breathing. He had pride in his school, in his town, because they were his. Mukuro made a fool of him, showed him the weaknesses in his abilities, and thus he felt shame. For the same reasons, he was furious – at Mukuro for desecrating his property and cheating, at himself for being not-strong-enough.

These, he understood, for they were simply natural; the logical way things worked. What would prompt herbivores to develop affection, he could not understand.

14.
Hibari hated Mukuro because he was everything that Hibari could have become, if he had just let go of his persistence and will for a moment. Hibari detested Mukuro because despite the man’s fighting strength, he was weak, so weak, almost worse than an herbivore.

Madness, like death, was simply a weakness of the will.

That is why Hibari is the strongest, and will always remain the strongest. He will allow himself nothing less.

15.
If there was anything that Hibari respected the Italians for, it was Machiavelli’s The Prince.

“The ends justify the means”, “It is better to be feared and respected than loved” – rules that Hibari believed in and lived by.

He ruled Namimori with an iron fist, clamping down on those who dared to disturb or trespass his property. Crime rates fell to an all-time low, because everyone feared retribution in the form of silver tonfa breaking their bones and teeth and bodies. They feared him, respected him, and spoke of him in awe. He was not loved, far from it, and that was fine with him, because that was never his objective.

16.
Dino Cavallone was, in a word, ‘confusing’.

He was plainly a predator just like Hibari himself – his whip and his skill with it showed that much. Yet at the same time he surrounded himself with weak herbivores at any opportunity available, even to the point of getting himself injured trying to protect them. He was even dependent on them – Hibari had seen the Cavallone without his men, and he was a pathetic sight, nothing more than a herbivore and definitely not the man he had grudgingly came to acknowledge as his ‘tutor’.

If, Hibari had once thought during a lull in battle, a man like the Cavallone could need his subordinates so much and yet be strong enough to defeat Hibari himself... what did it mean, then? He did not understand, for this was not the natural progression of things. It did not follow the neatly structured rules of Hibari’s world - Cavallone, in general, did not follow Hibari’s rules. He strolled languidly into Hibari’s life and declared himself Hibari’s teacher, and turned every single one of Hibari’s rules upside-down.

The only possible conclusion that Hibari could come to was to defeat the Cavallone, so his world would be tilted back to its axis again. That, however, had not happened.

And so Hibari had to get used to a slightly slanted world that had rules that were more complicated than they had been when he was ten years old. He refused to be daunted however, and adapted, like a predator did.

Sometimes he wondered why he had lost the urge to bite Dino Cavallone to death.

17.
Hibari did not fight to satisfy his blood-thirst.

He did not fight meaningless battles – there was always a reason for him to raise the tonfas to strike, whether it was that the delinquents needed a reminder of Namimori’s school rules (his laws), or so he could get stronger, or because he found someone interesting enough, or... the reasons were plenty.

There was always a reason.

But sometimes the reason came after the fight, and Hibari sometimes could not deny to himself that it was simply an excuse to bloody his tonfas with his opponent’s blood. It was something of a consuming need within him, the need for battle, for the rush of adrenalin in his blood, for cut and wound and to be cut and wounded. It was only in battle, after all, that he felt awake; alive.

Perhaps it was something programmed into him, a binary code that compelled him to fight and keep fighting. But that would be simplifying things, and Hibari simply wasn’t the sort to let such things control him, in any case.

He enjoyed fighting – that was enough of a reason for him to keep on doing it.

18.
Peace came to Hibari in the forms of a perfectly made cup of tea, or in pieces of sushi that was not too strong nor too bland in taste, with fish that melted in his mouth. Peace came to him in the shadows of the fluttering of his own sleeve as he went through the ritual of tea ceremony; and the glint of approval in his own eyes when Kusakabe finally managed to make tea the way Hibari preferred. It was there in the ways the sakura floated down to the ground.

More recently, peace settled him like a warm blanket when the bird (not his, for birds were free and unchained, and a free spirit did not believe in chaining another to him) trilled out the school song and settled itself in his hair. It hung on the edges of his vision during meditation, when his mind was cleared like the sun breaking through clouds in the rain; during the few moments when he managed to find a well-written novel and traced his fingers over the strokes of printed kanji.

Contentment usually followed, and sometimes Hibari wondered if this was the so-called happiness that the herbivores so crowed about.

He smiled, nonetheless.

19.
Mafia; Vongola; those things barely interested him except that joining into the little ‘game’ gave him more opponents to fight, more prey to hunt. That little group interested him for their contradictions as well – a useless coward who grew strong enough to challenge Hibari himself; a baby with enough strength to stop his strike with one hand; a laughing, carefree idiot whose skill with a sword made Hibari sit up and notice; an unrepentant fanboy of the previous useless coward whose intelligence was actually a merit rather than an annoyance.

It was simply intriguing.

But even that interest would not have lasted long if they were determined to tie him down with them – Hibari could not be tied down to anything; he refused to allow himself to. The baby was clever, however, and offered him the freedom to do whatever he wished.

And so he stayed.

20.
Sex, to Hibari, was something that simply did not cross his mind. The few times it did, the thought had disgusted him.

He could not understand the appeal of having another person so close, so intimate that they could kill him with the barest flick of the wrist while he was unaware or off-guard – he could not even imagine letting his guard down to that point. The physical aspect was what disgusted him the most – it seemed messy and chaotic, all fluids and the exchange of them, and far too much effort for too little gain.

He had never tried it, and had no interest in trying it.

Being in battle gave him a far richer pleasure than any sexual contact could. He would much rather shove a tonfa up against a herbivore’s ribs than to bed them. It was far more effective and satisfying.

21.
Everything that Hibari had, everything that he was, he had built it up himself, brick by brick. He had created his self and his identity through his own means, and had never accepted a single helping hand the rare few times they had been extended to him.

Hibari Kyouya was the ultimate self-made man, and he would have it no other way.

End

Notes: 1. 10 was totally inspired by this fic. It's wonderful.
2. 14 started this whole thing. I love contrasting these two together.
3. This is an attempt to explain how I see Hibari. I make no claims to it being canon.

[identity profile] allyoucaneater.livejournal.com 2008-08-30 11:56 am (UTC)(link)
*applause*

:D THAT'S ALL

[identity profile] evocates.livejournal.com 2008-08-31 11:16 am (UTC)(link)
=D Thank you! <3

[identity profile] teruame.livejournal.com 2008-08-30 03:23 pm (UTC)(link)
This...*_____* This is just wonderful! Hibari Kyoya's personified. The part concerning Hibari's perspective on physical intimacy especially fits, since that sort of thinking fits him strongly.

Keep it up! :DD

[identity profile] evocates.livejournal.com 2008-08-31 11:18 am (UTC)(link)
Ahahaha that was the part I was the most nervous about, because it means that Hibari pairings are, like, virtually nonexistent. xD This is why I can never see 1827 or 1859 - Hibari is sexually clueless and needs to be taught that, you know, physical intimacy is okay, and he needs someone who is eternally patient and strong enough to do that. Dino and Yamamoto fit the bill. xD

Thank you! <33 I wrote a D18 too, just click on my username? =D

[identity profile] garowyn.livejournal.com 2008-08-30 07:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Great work! Very interesting take on his past.

[identity profile] evocates.livejournal.com 2008-08-31 11:20 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you! I can't see Hibari with parents, and I love comparing him to Mukuro and so I gave them similar pasts. It's just fascinating to me how two people with similar backgrounds can become so different, so I played around with it. I'm glad it worked for you!

[identity profile] eriea.livejournal.com 2008-08-30 07:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah! It's very beautifully written!

[identity profile] evocates.livejournal.com 2008-08-31 11:19 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you!
ext_23080: icon made my <lj_user="insoveriegn"> (ALLEN)

[identity profile] lyra-star.livejournal.com 2008-08-31 12:09 pm (UTC)(link)
You are absolutely asdjadsfgdsfdnk!

I am speechless! LOVE YOU!!!

[identity profile] evocates.livejournal.com 2008-09-01 06:40 am (UTC)(link)
Heh, I guess you like it then? xD Thank you!

[identity profile] alienashi.livejournal.com 2008-09-01 05:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Hibari sure had a rough life :/ But your take is perfectly understandable, since a person with anything lesser wouldn't have such a bloodlust.

He is an enigma indeed, that skylark.

Great job!

[identity profile] evocates.livejournal.com 2008-09-04 12:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I just can't see him as having a normal life with parents. With his attitude, I pretty much figured that he did everything in his life by himself, which is kinda sad but also completely awesome. xD

And yes, he is. I have like, a bazillion theories for him, honestly. I hope Amano gives us some sort of hints soon...

Thank you! ♥

[identity profile] doseimotsuko.livejournal.com 2008-09-03 03:50 am (UTC)(link)
WAO! this is amazing!

[identity profile] evocates.livejournal.com 2008-09-04 12:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you! ♥

[identity profile] hiroya-chan.livejournal.com 2008-09-04 08:19 am (UTC)(link)
I APPLAUD YOU!!! X3 X3 X3

It was very well written, and unique, and fabutastically true. Everything describes Hibari appropriately. :]

[identity profile] evocates.livejournal.com 2008-09-04 12:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Eee, thank you! I have to admit that your 8018 fic with Hibari as an experimental subject totally sparked off the idea. I have so many uncredited influences that it's not funny. xD

Thank you! ♥

[identity profile] hiroya-chan.livejournal.com 2008-09-04 12:37 pm (UTC)(link)
WHEEEEEEE, I ISH VERY HONOURED TO HAVE CONTRIBUTED WEENY BITSY TO THISH. X3 X3 X3

You put all your ideas together very well DID I MENTION YOUR STYLE OF WRITING IS WONZARFUL?, so you still get a standing ovation! X)

what a meager comment ;;

[identity profile] pekori.livejournal.com 2008-09-16 04:54 pm (UTC)(link)
#5. Yes. That.

#8. black and blue and bloody - I adooore this alliteration.

#13. Just helped me to figure out a loooot. o_o

#20. Also yes!

[identity profile] evocates.livejournal.com 2008-09-16 05:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Meagre it might be, but still! Thank you! ♥

(Anonymous) 2008-12-01 01:59 am (UTC)(link)
Oh my goodness, I about fainted when I found just how many fics you have that cater to me weakness XD. This was truly a spectacular clip to start with. This is the forging of your Hibari, the Hibari I have come to love so much in Windshear, and probably my favorite view of him in the fandom.

I had honestly never thought about his origins while reading the manga (apart from the popular musings about his relation to Ipin’s master.) It has always just been a “huh, his parents must be absolute nutters to produce a child like this.”

Your take however… wow wow WAO. I loved it in Windshear and I love it here. What gave you the concept of him being a lab child? Honestly, it never occurred to me, and yet it fits so perfectly with his character. Even the choosing of his name… Ah Dream, you really do a number on my emotional state, I hope you know. As an aside, do you know the meaning behind Kyouya? I have always been abysmal with kanji, and have been curious about it for awhile now. The fandom only ever discusses Hibari/Skylark.

GAH. There is so much here that I would love to comment on. You handled his fatalistic devotion to Namimori beautifully, the creation of his ‘unique’ catchphrase… and “these crooks wouldn’t be able to report him to the police” cracked me the hell up. You never fall for the siren song of glorifying his character. I love it. It is absolutely ridiculous that you can make his tyrannical takeover of school, hospital and district so logical. I swear, this Hibari seems more canon than the actual one in the manga at the moment.

“Madness, like death, was simply a weakness of the will”. I have a burning desire to frame this sentence and hang it on my wall.

Because D18 is my OTP of the century, 16 was absolute rapture for me. I imagine Dino would be astoundingly vexing to Hibari, throwing a monkey wrench into Hibari’s carefully crafted ideology. Bending his views and still viewing such a response as a carnivore trait… affection for Dino that he would neither call nor recognize as affection… GAAAAH. You are like the Supreme Court for this pair- you pass your sentence and I come to regard it as LAW.

“He enjoyed fighting – that was enough of a reason for him to keep on doing it.” He is such a complex character, and yet you distill it down to something so very simple. Beautiful.

I am also of the firm opinion that the first paragraph of 19 should be used as the standard character descriptions for Tsuna’s family XD

20: My inner fangirl protests VEHEMENTLY, but this is likely the most canon thing you have ever written. *sigh* Damn you, telling it like it is.

Well, that was about the most rapturous thing to happen to me this weekend. You have proven to be the most distracting of study breaks. Oh goodness, I am so excited to check out the rest of your works. Gah. Must have will like Hibari. Must go do work. I may be slow to make my way through them, but rest assured I will devour every single one of your fics eventually ;)

~In case you haven’t guessed, Ami ^_^

[identity profile] evocates.livejournal.com 2008-12-01 06:27 am (UTC)(link)
I WRITE A LOT WHEN OBSESSED WITH SOMETHING. Sometimes maybe a bit too much. xDDD But I'm glad you like it anyway, and take your time! I really don't mind. ♥

It was [livejournal.com profile] hiroya_chan's 8018 fic, really, about Yamamoto and Hibari being kids in a lab together. When I read it, I was just intrigued by the idea that it immediately becomes part of my headcanon. xDD And I just build and build and build on upon it until it becomes this monster, really. 'Kyouya' basically means 'giving respect' - it's a very Buddhist, very pious name from what I read. Which is why I find it hilarious, because Hibari is the antithesis of the respectful and submissive. That's why I turn it the other way around - people gives him respect. =D

this Hibari seems more canon than the actual one in the manga at the moment.

SDGDSFHFD THANK YOU SO MUCH OMG. That's the biggest compliment you can give me. =DDDD And I'm so glad that he's IC, because this is my interpretation of Hibari and it's really really hard for me to change him and I sort of don't want to? So I'm glad that I'm, at least, 'doing it right'. ♥

You are like the Supreme Court for this pair- you pass your sentence and I come to regard it as LAW. asafsfdshgdf There are other authors who are more capable, honestly! (Try [livejournal.com profile] theburningempty's SPIN (http://community.livejournal.com/realityonmute/659.html?nc=3) and [livejournal.com profile] pollinia's D18 fic especially ♥). /prods you to read and comment on them because they deserve it more than I do. sdgfsh

20 nearly breaks me too, but really, I cannot see him having a sex drive. At all. Which is why my D18 mostly have Dino trying to reach out to him and teaching him about emotions. And it's also why Windshear is so long. /sobs My Hibari is really an emotional retard. xD This fact is also why I can never, ever see 1827 working. And 1896. And most pairings in which Hibari tops. xD

Take your time, no worries about it. I will be eagerly, eagerly waiting for your comments, bb. ♥♥♥

Thank you so much!

/uses her sexy icon on you

(Anonymous) 2008-12-06 12:26 am (UTC)(link)
THEN I HOPE YOU SAY OBSESSED WITH KHR FOREVERS. Really, I don't think there is such a thing as too much writing from you, bb.

Ah, Must go check out even more fics shortly! Thanks for the heads up.

HAH! THAT'S AMAZING. Kyouya's name does fit remarkably well if you skew it in such a way. The more I learn about his character, the more enamored I become.

You, darling, should never have to worry about being IC. Really, you seem to be sharing the same blood as Hibari, the way you write. I have yet to see a scenario that you can't pull off with a completely IC Hibari response. I will certainly check out the recommended authors, but you can probably tell I am a bit biased right now ;)

On Hibari pairings: I ABSOLUTELY agree. I suppose I didn't think of it in terms of his emotional stunting, but more the simple need for balance. He's so austere that he needs a goofball like Dino or Yamamoto. And I honestly can't picture him as any sort of seme a) because he would probably kill his partner and b) I can't accept him being with someone weaker than him. There would just be no allure, no respect...it would be like he was degrading himself. Guh, 1827 is one of my least favorite pairings. I'm slowing changing this stand in view of the tyl arc, but for the beginning of the manga? No way.

~Ami

(Anonymous) 2008-12-06 12:27 am (UTC)(link)
Also: sexy icon is made of win.

[identity profile] evocates.livejournal.com 2008-12-06 03:20 am (UTC)(link)
WELL WITH THE RATE KAGA AND I ARE GOING, THAT MIGHT JUST BE POSSIBLE. xD And that's a good thing~

You're welcome! These people definitely are worth checking out.

Yes! My mission of luring everyone into the Cult of Hibari is succeeding! fdhdg Thank youuu! ♥♥♥

That's a really interesting viewpoint on why he's seme! Mostly I think that Hibari isn't the sort to go for any sort of relationship or sexual contact unless he's coaxed patiently into it by someone who can stand up to his generally... 'him'ness. xD And you're totally right - he can't acccept someone weaker than him, because there won't even be interest. ♥

(I've written a semi-1827 set in TYL, but honestly? I still can't see it. xDDD Mostly because of a LOT of factors that I don't think the fans ever see.)

(Anonymous) 2008-12-09 05:14 pm (UTC)(link)
You are absolutely right about the sex drive. I can't see sex as his default response for ANY situation. As for a partner who can handle the "himness": that's possibly why I can enjoy a periodic fic of crack like 1859: I am quite certain SOMEONE would be murdered after about the roughest sex in the history of man.

I'm curious to see your 1827! It can be incredibly entertaining (and enlightening) to read fabulous authors write about pairings you DON'T support, so I'm pretty happy that I'll get this opportunity at some point.

WAIT WAIT WAIT. You can't write something like that last sentence and then just STOP XD Do share!

~Ami

[identity profile] evocates.livejournal.com 2008-12-10 01:10 am (UTC)(link)
Nah, his default response for anything and everything is probably 1) violence, or 2) ignore and walk away because it's not worth his attention. And hahha, I've written that pairing too. Yea, I can see how Gokudera and Hibari will have rough, hot, dirty sex, but honestly it sucks if they're in a relationship because it will never work. They clash just too much. xD

What is Needed (http://the-dw.livejournal.com/100168.html?nc=31), the 1827 fic I mentioned. I don't support the pairing either - I wrote it for the sake of seeing if I can actually write it. xDD Beware, though, it has spoilers for chapters 218 upwards, if you're interested.

Well, it's firstly the issue of Tsuna being terrified of Hibari. Being scared of a person equates to not being able to actually love them - infatuation is a whole other story - and it would be something incredibly shallow. Plus, he loves Kyoko, he's probably going to end up with Kyoko, and I've seen practically no 1827 who deal with this issue. Tsuna's not the sort to feel attracted to Hibari for any reason - he's much too fearful and cautious of him. The only times he's glad to see Hibari is when Hibari is there to fight for his - and his friends' - sakes. That's not love. That's knowing that here is someone you can depend on.

Even in TYL... well, that is illustrated in that fic. =D It's my Tsuna, though, so it might not be what you see him to be in TYL. /chuckles

As for Hibari, I have a terrible time seeing him being forward with sexual advances. The boy probably knows what sex is, theoretically, but he doesn't feel the sexual attraction. Like I wrote here, he probably sees sex as something disgusting. That's why I can't see him chasing or wanting anyone - that sort of intimacy repels him so much that he won't even have a spark of attraction whatsoever. Hibari won't reach out because he won't feel a thing towards Tsuna except curiosity for what potential that herbivore has to become a proper opponent. He's fightingsexual - that's the only thing he wants from Tsuna.

And there's also the fact that all 1827 fic/doujinshi/art are OOC and so fucking horrendous that it offends my senses to even glance at it. xDDD I haven't seen a decent 1827, EVER. It's sort of really glad and also really retarded. Ah well.

I do love these discussions, bb. Do you have MSN or AIM or something similar?



PS: Here (http://the-dw.livejournal.com/37801.html) is the archive of all my fics, in case you haven't found it. xD

(Anonymous) 2008-12-10 08:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I am quite addicted to these conversations as well, bb ;) I did have AIM, but axed it because it was eating time I didn't have (just started 1st term of vet college and it is EATING MY LIFE). Hearing your thoughts on KHR can probably convince me to pick it back up after finals though, I will let you know.

Must run to review, but I will comment on the rest of the awesomeness here when I get back ;hearts&

(Anonymous) 2008-12-10 08:23 pm (UTC)(link)
lol, dyslexic fail ♥

(Anonymous) 2008-12-11 05:16 am (UTC)(link)
lol, I wouldn't be surprised if you have written for every 18 pairing bb. (HAHA. How about Ryo18? Hm??? *dies* Speaking of relationships doomed to bodily harm...)

I am very much interested in the 1827, and will probably do a binge on your fics after I get through Friday.

Hmm, I never thought about it that way, but you are completely right. If anything, terror would probably add to the infatuation. This is one reason why I did a "WHAT." the first time I saw an 1827 fic. There are so many things wrong with the pairing I just....Augh. I was thinking of it in terms of Hibari's disinterest/exasperation for weaklings, but I suppose it is an unfair pairing to Tsuna as well. (Unless someone is a certain breed of masochist, you are right, this leaves no room for love).

I think my biggest issue at the beginning of the manga was that the dying will bullets always seemed like such a cop out. Tsuna didn't do anything to earn the power, and then he whined about it the entire time. I can only image Hibari's rage if he found our Tsuna's periodic bouts of "interesting" strength weren't intrinsically his own determination. It would be like finding an Olympic athlete on steroids.

As to Kyoko: haha, I totally forgot this was one of the most hilarious things for me when I entered the fandom. Tsuna is totally the fandom rape victim favorite for BL, yet the entire manga starts with his infatuation with Kyoko. You are right on this point as well: the most I've ever seen is "He got over her" or "she died" or "he woke up one day and realized 'holy shit I'm gay'." It generally just goes downhill from there. I personally think Tsuna and Kyoko are made for each other. They are equally boring and ineffectual at the beginning of the manga .

Aughhhhh! Affectionate, doting boyfriend Hibari makes me want to chew off my own foot and beat the author with it. Perhaps this is why I really don't care for Tsuna fics: he has this effect on any character he is paired with, when it is really only IC for Gokudera (who, coincidentally, was one of the last ones I warmed to. Even then it was only through association with Awesome Yamamoto.)

The tyl arc is screwing with me a bit just because, fundamentally, I never saw Hibari respecting Tsuna. As tyl Hibari regards him on a level similar to Reborn, I had to do some serious mental rehashing. For this reason I can (grudgingly, angrily, and cautiously) accept 1827 for tyl if the author can throw out some damn strong support. Hence, my eagerness to get to your other fics. It is coming, promise!

There is also the simple point that Hibari is such a fascinating, complicated character for me, and Tsuna is just so damn bland.

LOL. I will stop pestering you fic with my character musings. At some point I should just cave and get a lj so I don't have to keep leaving these obnoxious anonymous posts XD

~Ami

[identity profile] cloudsfalls.livejournal.com 2008-12-11 06:13 am (UTC)(link)
I am the laziest person on earth so here, have the RP account because I don't feel like logging out. xD (And NO I HAVEN'T. I've only written 8018, D18, and one fic each of 1859 and 1827. Oh I've RPed 6918 smut- You might be right.)

GOOD LUCK ON YOUR FINALS. ♥

Hahahah that was my reaction too! Except that the WHAT is even louder because oh god it's supposedly the most popular pairing in the Japanese fandom, wtf. (In the English fandom it's 8059.) And precisely - right now Hibari's interest in Tsuna is limited to when he's in his Dying Will Mode - i.e. when he's strong. Quoting a friend of mine, once he finds out about the bullet? There goes all his respect unless Tsuna can prove himself to be strong without needing the bullets or the pills.

But I think, in TYL at least, Tsuna would've gotten over it. It's partly because I think he realizes that it's a handicap and he wants to be stronger for his friends, but most importantly that Reborn would never let him depend entirely on those bullets or pills. It's like with Dino - Reborn berates him constantly for being an idiot without his men. I feel like that TYL, it would be nonsense if Dino hasn't gotten over his handicap. The only reason he still has it is because Reborn stops teaching him halfway. Because honestly? BEST HITMAN IN THE WORLD will never allow his students to carry such obvious weaknesses around them.

Tsuna-yaoi and Kyoko have never gotten along. Often I just see that she, and Haru as well, is just completely and entirely missing from the fic, especially in long multi-chapter fics where their absence is so obvious. Seriously. Hahaha I think they are adorable. I don't really care. Tsuna's just in the peripheral of my KHR fandom.

'Affection' and 'doting' should never, be used together with Hibari. 'WTF' just isn't enough to describe it. Seriously, this guy, even if he's deeply in love (that strains my disbelief too actually) with someone, he will never be affectionate or doting. Hibari is a guy who always looks for strength in people. If you're strong, you take care of yourself (NO HE WILL NEVER PROTECT TSUNA EITHER. OR ANYONE). If you're not, you're not even worth paying attention to. It's as simple as that.

Tsuna 'excites' him on a fighting level. TYLTsuna is strong, if only because this is a shounen manga and he's the main character. And that strength will make Hibari respect him, and nothing else. Respect, with Hibari, is a tenuous thing. Reborn is the only one who gets it constantly, because he knows how to deal with Hibari: when to give him his space and let him do whatever the fuck he wants; when to rein him back; and when to show his own strength. Hibari knows and recognizes this, and because of it, he respects Reborn. Yet at the same time Reborn takes the form of a baby, and that's how Hibari addresses him - 'baby' to remind him that Reborn, despite his strength, still has one clear weakness. This is all entirely subconscious on Hibari's side, btw.

Tsuna will reach the level of 'excitement' that Reborn incites in Hibari, strength-wise. But he still needs to learn how to deal with him. I think Reborn will help with that. In TYL, if Tsuna still hasn't grown up properly and learn how to deal with his own guardians, I will be terribly disappointed. xD

Yea, same for me to. I find it funny that other people see TSUNA as the more complex character when I find him one of the simplest and easiest to write about. Hibari most people struggle like hell with because it's a balance between making him human, and making him OOC. Hibari's very fundamental characteristic is that he's superhuman - he goes beyond far more than what people can do, yet at the same time his emotional range is far less. He's extremely logical. It's just that his logic is a very special one that most people don't understand because it is so very simplistic. I'm probably not making any sense.

I DON'T MIND. =D And yes you should~ Then I can friend you. ♥

*sparkle* new journal *sparkle*

[identity profile] varyola.livejournal.com 2008-12-15 05:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Haha, just for you ♥

Man, weekend of Anticipated Awesome turned out to be filled with fail and flu, I’m sorry. I just read a few more fics (which I will geek out about on their respective posts when not on lunch break XD), and got to fully appreciate what I was missing ♥ ♥ ♥

Okay, first a quick embarrassing question: What exactly is rping on livejournal? Because I am a stalker and you have me Hibari obsessed, I checked out the link, and it seems really interesting! Does someone just post a scenario and then the users play off each other’s reactions? /ignorant.

Right. On 1827… you got me to let out and indignant squeak that had one of my housemates asking if I was choking. I am really trying to be a bit more open minded about it, and TYL helps, but the MAIN pairing? What? WHAT. 8059 I can see, though I’ve only recently started to enjoy it as a pairing (I actually got into it because there was such a huge fandom for it, and if I could come to enjoy it I would have lots of reading material). Gaaaah. Amano has a LOT of character development to wade through before I can truly accept this. Absolutely, power is the motivating factor for Hibari, but the very way Tsuna presents himself has to change as well. Periodically beating the crap out of each other is one thing, but the current storyline has it so Tsuna and Hibari were in each other’s confidence, Hibari was strategizing with the tenth, and Hibari agreed to help their younger selves. That he was making personal sacrifice is such a jump that I’m still just kind of chewing my lip on how it would happen. Reborn is unequivocally powerful, but he also has a refined air that Hibari, as another predator, can acknowledge an appreciate. Present Tsuna, with his constant freak outs, whinings, and general air of panic just doesn’t work. Yes, if he is strong enough Hibari will pay attention to him, but it won’t be the same respect he shows Reborn. FIX IT AMANO.

I really love your take on Hibari’s emotions- I haven’t found very many authors with the same concept, and yet I think it is ABSOLUTELY the most accurate representation. Doting probably isn’t even in his vocabulary (that, or the concept would elicit extreme derision XD). He really does seem to personify the carnivore he sees himself to be: everything is about strength, face, and territory. If he is wounded or sick, he would rather do more damage to himself than show it. He is viciously territorial of what he considers his. And when/if he chooses a mate, it will have to be an equally fit carnivore, someone he can fight beside, not in front of. I really just can’t accept the lightening character change of “oh, I’m in love now, so let’s go see movies together and make some waffles” that is so common in fanfics. If he did let someone in, they would have to accept that the relationship would entail periods of awesome sex, good fighting, and then months on end of him being GodKnowsWhere. On that point, I highly doubt he would even ever acknowledge it as love. I think the word is too weighed down with herbivore connotations.

There does seem to be an inherent contradiction: I think he probably WOULD viciously protect his mate (because it would be his), but if said mate needed protecting, they wouldn’t be Hibari’s mate in the first place. Kind of a promise to be there unless he ACTUALLY needs to be there, in which case the promise is void. Hm.

Your comments on Reborn are poignant ones! Would Hibari even be able to enjoy someone’s company if there weren’t some sort of chink in their armor to keep things interesting, I wonder? Reborn doesn’t really seem handicapped by his forced age, but I think that is another allure to Hibari- an apparent weakness that Reborn overcomes.

“In TYL, if Tsuna still hasn't grown up properly and learn how to deal with his own guardians, I will be terribly disappointed. xD” HAHAHA. YES.

~Ami

[identity profile] evocates.livejournal.com 2008-12-16 03:12 am (UTC)(link)
Bweeee ♥♥

Well, RPing is just... there's a community with an overall plot and setting, and the character journals are basically characters who have been dropped into this new world or setting and have to adapt to it. (I also have [livejournal.com profile] decimo_calandra, and [livejournal.com profile] cloudsfalls is also here (http://community.livejournal.com/the_love_hotel/45683.html), here (http://community.livejournal.com/the_love_hotel/62373.html), here (http://community.livejournal.com/the_love_hotel/92393.html) and here (http://community.livejournal.com/the_love_hotel/92737.html). Pimping? NO WAI! xDDD

The thing is, Tsuna is the Japanese fandom's - almost everyone's - favourite uke. And Hibari is apparently very seme-like, and very very popular. THEREFORE! It's also a bit of a self-insert fantasy too, given how girly and OOC they tend to treat Tsuna. /shrugs And you got it right in one. Tsuna needs to change and grow up and know how to play according to Hibari's rules. And Hibari's is all about rules - his own rules in his own Foundation/world. Tsuna needs to follow these rules, yet at the same time find a way to show himself to be just as strong - not in beating up people-wise - or even stronger. Reborn does this effortlessly. Tsuna still needs to learn.

YES. He is extremely animalistic and simplistic. It's about having his own teritory - Namimori, the Foundation - about strength and pride and being that one predator that rules over everyone. I'm not saying he is a megalomaniac, because he's not - it's that he has this natural urge to dominate over other people in terms of raw strength itself. (Sex is a different matter. I love how contradictory this guy is.) And YES. The person who manages to get through his many, many shields and whom he can accept to be intimate with will have to be just as strong, if not stronger. Someone whom he will never need to protect, and someone who will never look down on him enough to try to protect him. Two people who can stand together on equal ground, who will never, ever be afraid of him because that's a mark of a herbivore. And Hibari will never, ever admit to being 'in love' - he doesn't know what 'love' is (which is why I can never see him having a normal family), and fluff is impossible with Hibari. Forever.

It's not that he would protect his mate as much as being really, really possessive. Like, it's a matter of 'no one kills you but me' and 'no one scars you but me'. But he won't go out his way to do it, because said mate should be good enough to protect himself. But if Hibari really needs to be there to save their ass, he will be. He's incredibly dependable that way.

I think so. I think Adult!Reborn and Hibari will have the most interesting dynamics, especially when he loses that apparent weakness. =D Hibari definitely is fascinated by Reborn, and I wonder whyyyy are there not fics for it.

♥♥♥

[identity profile] varyola.livejournal.com 2008-12-18 11:44 pm (UTC)(link)
HAHAHA. SO MANY WAYS TO STALK YOU. I have no doubt I will get into this shortly, and lose what little semblence of free time I still have. You make me so happy ♥ ♥

That's the kicker for me- everything about Hibari's personality seems very seme, but I've only really enjoyed and appreciated stories where he is some form of uke. I couldn't really explain it, until I was able to latch on to your theory of emotional retardation/disinterest in all things sexual. HAHA self insertion! I don't know about you, but as much as I love Hibari, I don't think I'm THAT much of a masochist XD. Dino or Yamamoto have far more patience than I do.

I continues to blow me away how firmly you understand Hibari's character. I feel like I could be all "Hey Dream, does Hibari like Pride and Prejudice?" and you could tell me what page he's currently on and what literary element he focused on for that book report last week. (LOL. Of course, by "Pride and Prejudice" I mean "The Prince" XD)

Power play is one of the neatest aspects of KHR, I agree. That and the apparent contradictions in the characters. I love them so.

Perhaps there are so few because Reborn requires as complete an understanding of his character as Hibari to write properly, and authors are daunted by the concept of writing both. I bet at least someone could pull it off though. *koff*

[identity profile] varyola.livejournal.com 2008-12-18 11:45 pm (UTC)(link)
*headdesk*

*you. YOU continue to blow me away.

*le sigh* can it be break yet?

have the RP account again for I am lazy

[identity profile] cloudsfalls.livejournal.com 2008-12-19 03:29 am (UTC)(link)
/pets your hair. There, there. Also, lol if you stalk me I don't know whether to feel flattered or scared. WEL- at least it's someone I know? xDD

The thing is, if Hibari dominates everywhere he's not fun for me. Like, part of why I find him so damn adorable is because he's such an emotionally retarded virgin. He has no interest in this sex thing, really, and thus will need to be slowly coaxed into it. Dino and Yamamoto and - to a far lesser extent - Reborn will have more patience.

And Hibari doesn't read romance books. He reads the Art of War, the Prince - the latter in its original language because he needs to learn Italian anyway - and Julius Caesar's books, Napoleon and Alexander the Great's biographies. See a pattern yet? The people who have proven themselves to be true carnivores/conquerors. XD The only 'light reading' he indulges in is probably haikus or something. Something so quintessentially Japanese.

IT ISSSS. I wonder why people don't play with it more ofte, gd it.

Hahahah Reborn and Hibari- I might try one day. I just might.

Re: have the RP account again for I am lazy

[identity profile] varyola.livejournal.com 2008-12-19 03:48 am (UTC)(link)
OMG. "He has no interest in this sex thing, really, and thus will need to be slowly coaxed into it." I totally get what you mean, but when I read this the instant mental image was Dino sitting on a bed, holding out a cookie and looking hopeful, while Hibari regards him skeptically. XDDD *dies*

LOL. MOAR facts filed away for my headcanon XD. ILU.

Hm. I've actually NEVER read a Hibari/Reborn. Come to think of it, I've never read RebornXanyone. Huh.

I will totally look for your possible future fic though!

[identity profile] cloudsfalls.livejournal.com 2008-12-19 03:57 am (UTC)(link)
HAHAH oh god now that is my mental image too now.

ILU2

I've seen a lot of Reborn/Lambo around. Doujinshi is hot but haha I can't ever be convinced fully by it. OHWEL.

[identity profile] varyola.livejournal.com 2008-12-24 12:44 am (UTC)(link)
Eeee. It's true, I have seen a lot of RebornXLambo. While pretty, it's edging pretty close to shouta, which is one of my few anime no-no's.

Haha! I totally just caught the haiku thing too- I don't know how I missed that. I bet he could WRITE some beautiful ones. Pesky herbivores- Always pushing and crowding- I'll bite them to death. *perpetuating haiku stereotypes* Geeze. We studied a lot of Bashou. "Light reading" indeed XD

Also: Just finished with the backstory of the love hotel w/ Hibari and Mukuro. ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ 6918 is my guilty pleasure that I think would be radically unhealthy, but is still very pretty ;) IC to the end, as always. Mukuro's writer was rocking as well!