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• just another dreamer • ([personal profile] evocates) wrote2012-10-26 03:50 pm

nnngh-worthy stuff and personality types

Hitting burnout and reaching a point where I annoy the fuck out of myself when a tinny little voice in my head goes "no one likes meeeee I suckkkkkkk and I will always suckkkkk please give me validationnnnnn". It's fucking annoying, let me tell you. It has a lot to do with my attempts to not kill myself with overwork and changing "write 6000 words this weekend" to "write this section of that 6000 word essay this weekend, and also do edits on your 5000 word Essay of Doom, and also edit your friend's thesis". The second one sounds like more work but I know it's less and I feel guilty even though I know I have like 2 more weekends to write that essay and I really shouldn't rush it while I still have doubts.

I hate my brain. A lot.

IN NICER/FUNNIER NEWS, I have been distracted by friends when they are doing personality types for themselves. And then I distracted myself with trying to personality-type Sean and Viggo- or at least, how I see them.

This is me: INTJ. (Also called 'The Scientist', which makes me wonder if I'm an anomaly since I can't do science well.)

INTJs live in the world of ideas and strategic planning. They value intelligence, knowledge, and competence, and typically have high standards in these regards, which they continuously strive to fulfill. To a somewhat lesser extent, they have similar expectations of others.

INTJs focus their energy on observing the world, and generating ideas and possibilities... Their mind constantly gathers information and makes associations about it... their primary interest is not understanding a concept, but rather applying that concept in a useful way. INTJs are driven to come to conclusions about ideas. Their need for closure and organization usually requires that they take some action.

This is so stupidly true that I am getting annoyed at a personality test for pinning me down so effectively. Seriously. My biggest problem with Literature as a discipline is that whenever I read a book, I'm less concerned with what they're doing than how they do it. I literally go "how do I write about this theme my own way?" For example, I'm less interested in the full, sprawling significance/concepts of silence than how I can actually use it in fic or fiction as a whole.

It's a very self-centered kind of thinking, honestly. When I grasp a concept, I'm less interested in finding out every nuance of it than to make new nuances of my own. It annoys my professors a lot, especially when I do historical literature. Might be why my English Renaissance professor is usually annoyed with me.


INTJs spend a lot of time inside their own minds, and may have little interest in the other people's thoughts or feelings. Unless their Feeling side is developed, they may have problems giving other people the level of intimacy that is needed. Unless their Sensing side is developed, they may have a tendency to ignore details which are necessary for implementing their ideas.

There is something extremely disturbing when a piece of text that's supposed to apply to a huge group of people (less than 2% of the population; apparently INTJ is one of the rarest types in the world, but that's still millions) just manages to pin me down so very, very effectively.

I have to say though, I am not empathic at all, but I can understand all the reasons why a person might act a certain way intuitively. And then I just shrug and not get upset about it. It's them, I'm me, it's not their fault, it's not mine, whatever.


Consequently, they are quick to express judgments. Often they have very evolved intuitions, and are convinced that they are right about things. Unless they complement their intuitive understanding with a well-developed ability to express their insights, they may find themselves frequently misunderstood. In these cases, INTJs tend to blame misunderstandings on the limitations of the other party, rather than on their own difficulty in expressing themselves.

THIS IS ME AND SOME OF MY PROFESSORS AND CLASSMATES. SERIOUSLY.

Other people may have a difficult time understanding an INTJ. They may see them as aloof and reserved. Indeed, the INTJ is not overly demonstrative of their affections, and is likely to not give as much praise or positive support as others may need or desire. That doesn't mean that he or she doesn't truly have affection or regard for others, they simply do not typically feel the need to express it.

NOPE.

On a less self-centered note, have Viggo as an ISFP, The Artist. Also, these are entirely viewed by my own perspective. I'm not saying that they are really like that, but this is just how I usually write/see them.

ISFPs live in the world of sensation possibilities. They are keenly in tune with the way things look, taste, sound, feel and smell. They have a strong aesthetic appreciation for art, and are likely to be artists in some form, because they are unusually gifted at creating and composing things which will strongly affect the senses. They have a strong set of values, which they strive to consistently meet in their lives. They need to feel as if they're living their lives in accordance with what they feel is right, and will rebel against anything which conflicts with that goal.

ISFPs have a strong affinity for aesthetics and beauty. They're likely to be animal lovers, and to have a true appreciation for the beauties of nature. They're original and independent, and need to have personal space.

ISFPs are action-oriented individuals. They are "doers", and are usually uncomfortable with theorizing concepts and ideas, unless they see a practical application. They learn best in a "hands-on" environment, and consequently may become easily bored with the traditional teaching methods, which emphasize abstract thinking. They do not like impersonal analysis, and are uncomfortable with the idea of making decisions based strictly on logic. Their strong value systems demand that decisions are evaluated against their subjective beliefs, rather than against some objective rules or laws. This whole paragraph had me going "... Viggo's Perceval Press, man."

Also, the next four paragraphs are perfect for how I see Viggo.


ISFPs are extremely perceptive and aware of others. They constantly gather specific information about people, and seek to discover what it means. They are usually penetratingly accurate in their perceptions of others.

ISFPs are warm and sympathetic. They genuinely care about people, and are strongly service-oriented in their desire to please. They have an unusually deep well of caring for those who are close to them, and are likely to show their love through actions, rather than words.

ISFPs have no desire to lead or control others, just as they have no desire to be led or controlled by others. They need space and time alone to evaluate the circumstances of their life against their value system, and are likely to respect other people's needs for the same.

The ISFP is likely to not give themself enough credit for the things which they do extremely well. Their strong value systems can lead them to be intensely perfectionist, and cause them to judge themselves with unneccesary harshness.

Relationships:

ISFPs are warmhearted, gentle people who take their commitments seriously, and seek lifelong relationships. They are very private people, who keep their true feelings and opinions reserved or hidden from others... ISFPs go to great lengths to please their partners. They're very loyal and supportive, with a deep capacity for love. They detest conflict and discord, and highly value being seen and understood for who they are. They need space to live their lives in their own unique way, and will respect other's need for space.

I am not saying anything more about the previous paragraph, man. It's so subjective that I am not touching it.

And Sean is an INFJ, otherwise known as 'The Protector'. The rarest of all personality types, according to this site.

INFJs place great importance on havings things orderly and systematic in their outer world. They put a lot of energy into identifying the best system for getting things done, and constantly define and re-define the priorities in their lives. On the other hand, INFJs operate within themselves on an intuitive basis which is entirely spontaneous. They know things intuitively, without being able to pinpoint why, and without detailed knowledge of the subject at hand. They are usually right, and they usually know it. This sentence just perfectly describes what everyone says about Sean's acting technique, man. Consequently, INFJs put a tremendous amount of faith into their instincts and intuitions.

... most INFJs are protective of their inner selves, sharing only what they choose to share when they choose to share it. They are deep, complex individuals, who are quite private and typically difficult to understand. INFJs hold back part of themselves, and can be secretive.

INFJs are rarely at complete peace with themselves - there's always something else they should be doing to improve themselves and the world around them. They believe in constant growth, and don't often take time to revel in their accomplishments. They have strong value systems, and need to live their lives in accordance with what they feel is right. In deference to the Feeling aspect of their personalities, INFJs are in some ways gentle and easy going. Conversely, they have very high expectations of themselves, and frequently of their families. They don't believe in compromising their ideals.

Relationships:

They are perfectionists, constantly striving to achieve the Perfect Relationship. This can sometimes be frustrating to their mates, who may feel put upon by the INFJs demanding perfectionism. However, it may also be greatly appreciated, because it indicates a sincere commitment to the relationship, and a depth of caring which is not usually present in other types.

Sexually, INFJs view intimacy as a nearly spiritual experience. They embrace the opportunity to bond heart and soul with their mates. As service-oriented individuals, it's very important to them that their mates are happy. Intimacy is an opportunity for the INFJ to selflessly give their love, and experience it in a tangible way.

Like I said with Viggo's section, NOT. GOING THERE. >_>

***

It's a problem with too much academia when I feel like I have to put in quotes to justify my own section of the personality description, much less Viggo and Sean's. Holy shit.

Also, HAVE FUN if you want to take the test yourself. 8D

... Okay that's me done with procrastination.

[identity profile] noalinnea.livejournal.com 2012-10-26 08:23 am (UTC)(link)
I like you! In what form should the validation be? :)

[identity profile] evocates.livejournal.com 2012-10-26 12:39 pm (UTC)(link)
HAHAHAHA YOU. NO, YOU SPOIL ME ENOUGH ALREADY /SHAKES YOU HARD. No more egostroking; I might not be able to deal with it. /faints dead away

[identity profile] noalinnea.livejournal.com 2012-10-26 08:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, but I am open-minded. I can fling random insults your way if required. Just name it ;) (and the right amount of ego-stroking never is a bad thing)

[identity profile] evocates.livejournal.com 2012-10-27 05:10 am (UTC)(link)
:3 :3 :3 Too much of it is bad in my case. I CAN ONLY WORK IF I FEEL LIKE CRAP!!!! No, not really, but that's funny to say. :3

/drapes onto. Did you take the test?

[identity profile] noalinnea.livejournal.com 2012-10-27 06:54 am (UTC)(link)
I usually am very reluctant where tests are concerned. But with the right amount of nudging... ;) I scored as INFJ (Introvert(33%) iNtuitive(12%) iNtuitive Feeling(50%) Judging(11%)). And took it again,thinking more carefully about the answers, because I thought no way, I'm not that intuitive. And got the same results. And then I read the description and was both a little pleased and a little annoyed that a test knows that much about me... will have to check out your take on Sean and Viggo when I get back from work tonight :)

[identity profile] evocates.livejournal.com 2012-10-27 04:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, your intuitive isn't scored that much higher than your sensing, so your intuition about your test results are right! The test results are kind of really creepy in how well they peg someone - at least for me, they are stupidly true at times that I wonder if there are really so many people who are like me in the world. @_@ If I'm predictable, you know, that a test can describe me. In broad strokes, at least. /drapes on.

I will be waiting for those comments! AND I WILL REPLY YOUR PM ONCE I SLEPT. 8D!

[identity profile] lathaina.livejournal.com 2012-10-26 08:59 am (UTC)(link)
Are you sure only 2% are ITNJ's? I did the quiz and got it as well.

Oddly enough, I'm currently doing science at A level (it's a UK exam) and absolutely refuse to do it at uni level because it's incredibly dull. And irritating.

[identity profile] evocates.livejournal.com 2012-10-26 12:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Hi! I've never seen you here before. Are you a random visitor? 8D?

Apparently only 1.5% of the population and 0.5% of women are INTJs, odd, right? It doesn't mean that there's something wrong with the statistics if we both have the same results. It just means we're equally awesome. 8D

[identity profile] lathaina.livejournal.com 2012-10-26 01:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm just one of the random people on your "friend of" list.

0.5%? goodness, that's rather small.

[identity profile] evocates.livejournal.com 2012-10-27 05:12 am (UTC)(link)
It's miniscule in the grand scale of things, but it's still like 35 million women in the world. Kind of depressing to think about, honestly.

... Hah, that's odd. Where did we meet, do you remember? @_@

[identity profile] caras-galadhon.livejournal.com 2012-10-27 06:59 am (UTC)(link)
*sneaks in* The "friend of" function is an LJ paid account feature that lets you read through the public posts of people who your Friends have Friended. ^_^ [livejournal.com profile] lathaina is using that function, and came on your post! It's a fun thing to do if you're looking for interesting content, or you're bored or curious or whatever.

[identity profile] evocates.livejournal.com 2012-10-27 04:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Noooo, she has me on her friends-list itself. That's why I'm a wee bit confused. :3

[identity profile] caras-galadhon.livejournal.com 2012-10-27 09:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, ok. I obviously misunderstood what was going on, tried to be helpful, and failed. Whoops! Sorry about that. *scuffs toe*

[identity profile] lathaina.livejournal.com 2012-10-27 04:57 pm (UTC)(link)
? I'm quite sure I don't have a paid account.

[identity profile] caras-galadhon.livejournal.com 2012-10-27 09:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, ok, sorry! I obviously misunderstood your exchange with [livejournal.com profile] evocates, and thought I had the answer to her question, and it turns out I didn't. Whoops!

[identity profile] lathaina.livejournal.com 2012-10-27 05:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Inception. i thought your fic was rather good...

[identity profile] bluegerl.livejournal.com 2012-10-26 09:30 am (UTC)(link)
That was so interesting. And the ISFP and INFJ do so FIT!!!! (I'm an INFJ.. well, I would be! with my life past) But Viggo's is unbelieveable and whooee.. fans self. And the Bean.. yes. Yes, as I see him too. That's one reason why he has such sad eyes sometimes... the spiritual bit about love. Yup!

But it was odd that I hesitated a lot over some questions, as one bit of me wanted to hit a Viggo button and the other said..no - the other button! (from life-training!) But I wish I could have been the ISFP one I think I might have been meant to be! odd. Nurture over Nature!!!!

Do you have a decent break over the Halloween? I just want to hide my head and dip out of all that crap. I shall measure furniture, sort out my books and write!!! You make sure you have time for YOU...even if it is editing a friend's thesis, if that makes you happy?

At least my 62% feeling allows me to say - LOVE YOU...cos I do. Loving old Looloo.

[identity profile] evocates.livejournal.com 2012-10-26 12:44 pm (UTC)(link)
omg so many people are INFJs around these parts. I think I have collected a small group of rare birds. :3 You, Galadriel, and Ruby, HAHA. (I am an unrepentant T. The questions about how I make decisions is honestly the easiest one to answer.)

Ooh, why do you think you're meant to be an ISFP? S/N are one of the most sharply defining traits of a person, because that's basically how you gain knowledge. For example, I'm very very much an N person (which is somewhat irritating given that I am also a T), which means that I generally just know things instead of going out and exploring it. I'm not saying that you're wrong; I'm just curious about it.

No Halloween breaks for me here. But I have a Halloween party to go to tomorrow. I have my suit ready. As in, men's wear. I'm dressing up as a cowboy dressing up as a movie star. >_> Also, I like feeling useful, so yes, editing my friend's thesis makes me happy. 8D

/squishes you in arms like a teddy bear

[identity profile] bluegerl.livejournal.com 2012-10-26 03:46 pm (UTC)(link)
THAT is the best POSSIBLE way of being squished!!!! oh loovely.

I wanted to be an ISFP cos I do somehow KNOW what it would be like to be a Viggotype. I am sooo like him in my original form. before LIFE got at me. Nurture beat the shit out of Nature's gifts. and now.. all I can feel is the pain of wishing to walk in his ways. Like the Little Mermaid I spose. I have to be this.. INFJ. Infinitely nonsensical foolish joker!!! hahahaha

Oh HEY Cowboy... a WHITE stetson... and oh ivory-handled pistols slung on those yummy flappy chaps. GOD and wear a neckerchief tied with bow under the ear and the shirt open to cleavage..aaaah Bloody Hell. HiHo Trigger, pass me my geeetah! And can you sling a shot of whisky along the bar without spilling it? And TINKLEY spurs!!!! oh GOD... I'm in love!!! Bless you and have a ball at the ball!!!
Hugs like my pillow in the mornings.

[identity profile] evocates.livejournal.com 2012-10-27 05:14 am (UTC)(link)
More like a waistcoat, leather pants, black shirt (I can't wear white, my breast binder is black), and a black fedora with sunglasses. And leather boots. 8D It's in a few hours, so I have to actually start dressing soon.

(Yes, I can sling a shot of whiskey without spilling a drop. >_>)

[identity profile] j-flattermann.livejournal.com 2012-10-26 10:53 am (UTC)(link)
I didn't take the questionnaire but from reading through all the options I found that the ENTJ was the one that I could identify myself as a young adult most. However it doesn't quite fit to me as I am now.
Actually not one of them really fit me as I am now as I found that there were some of all represented in the way I work, think and act.
But that might be because I have come to a certain age now where I had the chance to experience the positives and negatives of so many actions that I adapted.
The way you see the two boys made me smile. It would be interesting to see them doing the test for real and see what the outcome would be and if it matches.
Edited 2012-10-26 10:54 (UTC)

[identity profile] evocates.livejournal.com 2012-10-26 12:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Possibly! It's a little ridiculous that the entire world can fit into six personality types, but what I like about the test is that there are percentages - that you might swing from one end, to the other. Or you might have 50/50 for one trait and be an amalgation 8D.

For example, a couple of years back, I was an INTP. Now I'm an INTJ. Things change through time and you don't have to keep to one personality type always, I think.

[identity profile] j-flattermann.livejournal.com 2012-10-26 01:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Yep, that's what they said as well that you are changing adding traits and stuff as you get older.

Just took the questionnaire. You never guess what was the result!!!

INTJ
Introvert(56%) iNtuitive(62%) iNtuitive Thinking(1%) Judging(33%)
You have moderate preference of Introversion over Extraversion (56%)
You have distinctive preference of Intuition over Sensing (62%)
You have marginal or no preference of Thinking over Feeling (1%)
You have moderate preference of Judging over Perceiving (33%)
Edited 2012-10-26 13:51 (UTC)

[identity profile] evocates.livejournal.com 2012-10-27 05:16 am (UTC)(link)
... HAHA omg there are so many people on my f-list who are INTJs. Like attracts like, apparently. 8d@

(Also, your 1% of T over F is absolutely fascinating. I can't imagining working like that.)

[identity profile] j-flattermann.livejournal.com 2012-10-27 11:22 am (UTC)(link)
You develop some kind of gut-feeling and working as an Executive PA you have to be the bridge between the Managers and the staff which needs you to develop some emphasis. I admit to take some pride in the fact that I have been called trustworthy by both parts (staff and management). I think that this is where I developed my instincts in what to do or say in certain situations.
Also one learns to scan a person quite quickly to read their character.
I found that I am getting better at that with age.

[identity profile] evocates.livejournal.com 2012-10-27 04:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Ahhhhhhhhhh. That actually sounds really, really awesome, because it just proves that your job can help shape your personality. i.e. those tests having 'recommended careers' are kind of wrong. :3

[identity profile] j-flattermann.livejournal.com 2012-10-27 04:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I truly think that due to the experiences I have made during my working life I have changed in character and knowledge. I certainly have gained in emotional knowledge which is good for inter human communication. If you are going for team-leadership this comes very handy for you can evaluate your team better and know how to handle difficult situations better.
I had once someone in my team whose constant chatter was distracting the rest of the team members and as their leader they came to me complaining. So I had to pull the person aside and have a word.
You want to do that without ruffling more feathers than necessary.
So the "F" comes handy in those situations as you can emphasise how a person will react and avoid big mistakes in such a conversation.

[identity profile] caras-galadhon.livejournal.com 2012-10-26 12:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Ahahahahahh! Man, you have Sean down for the personality type I'm forever coming up with in those free online versions of the test. (And I did again in the test you linked to. Sometimes I get ISFJ, but usually it shakes out as INFJ.) Hee. That's interesting.

[identity profile] evocates.livejournal.com 2012-10-26 12:37 pm (UTC)(link)
You're the rarest of the rare, darling! /pretends to be grey bear and twirls white-bear!you 8D The tests are an interesting way to waste time, to say the least. >_> I need to talk to you more to know, but N/S is usually one of the things that's easiest to figure out about a person. You might just be an INEFJ, though - that is, you're right smack in the middle of S and N, which is even rarer. 8D

(Also, apparently J people are very organised. Are you organised?)

[identity profile] caras-galadhon.livejournal.com 2012-10-26 12:53 pm (UTC)(link)
*snicker* WHEEEEEEEE! ^_~

I need to talk to you more to know, but N/S is usually one of the things that's easiest to figure out about a person.
Sure, ok. I'm always game for these sorts of things, anyway. (In Junior High, as a class we used to beg the school counsellor to let us take one of the DSM tests because we wanted to see if anyone came out as a sociopath. *snort* Poor woman. We harrassed her about that so much.)

Uh, it depends what you mean by organized, because if organized = tidy, then no. If you mean do I plan things and then execute those plans, then yes. I'm not very spontaneous. It unsettles me, even when it's a pleasant activity.

[identity profile] evocates.livejournal.com 2012-10-26 12:57 pm (UTC)(link)
If I get to see your in Florida, I will peer at you like you're under my microscope. That is a problem. Because I mistyped: I can't tell N/S by talking to people, but by watching them 8D. (Oh God, we didn't have DSM tests. We used to have IQ tests in school, though, and apparently it's possible to fail an IQ test. I got a 57 once, and everyone was very puzzled because that would mean I'm mentally retarded. Like, literally.)

No, that's basically organisation. I'm not tidy at all but I plan out each day very, very meticulously and execute those damn plans. Spontaneous people scare me. Even when I'm spontaneous I always have to plan out that spontaneity, which possibly entirely defeats its point.

[identity profile] caras-galadhon.livejournal.com 2012-10-26 01:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Hee, sure, ok. My fingers are firmly crossed, madame! I think we'd have fun, microscopic peering or not. ^_^ (Does it make a difference if you're more casual and comfortable when around friends, but way more reserved around people you're less comfortable with, or is the N/S thing still suss-outable regardless? Because both things happen to me at the conference.)

Aw, she never let us take the DSM Diagnostic, possibly because she didn't have access to those diagnostic tools, and also, I can't imagine what would happen if one of the kids popped up as having some sort of criminal tendencies. Lawsuits, ahoy! I have done actual formal IQ tests, though, the hours-long overseen by a psychologist kind. Once to get into my junior high/high school, and a shorter one later to compare my progess. It was... interesting, to say the least. I have to wonder what they were doing when they administered yours for you to get such a low score! O_o

I don't plan things excessively, but I do generally have a good idea of exactly how I'm going to spend my day. And when I go out, I make lists to take with me. Moreso while I'm here in NZ, I find. At home, it's just lists of stuff I'm going out to get/places I have to stop. Here, it's that and lists of things to bring, times to leave, what I need to do before I go... *rolls eyes*

Oh, man, I have mostly trained my friends out of the habit of springing things on me, but I feel similarly. My family never did anything much spontaneously; usually we had a plan, even if we were just going into the mountains for the day. ("What time are we going to leave in the morning?" "Don't forget to bring a jacket. ...Did you pack a jacket?" "We'll stop at X and have lunch.") I still remember when my oldest friend called me up one day, when I wasn't doing anything but watching TV, and asked me if I wanted to meet her at the bookstore to hang out for a bit. I went, and it was nice and everything, but boy did it feel weird. I just couldn't quite deal with the disruption to what I'd already decided I was going to be doing that evening. So, yeah. If I could, I would totally plan out every spontaneous thing ever. ^_~

[identity profile] evocates.livejournal.com 2012-10-26 01:23 pm (UTC)(link)
(It's really less a matter of comfort than a matter of speed and how you react when asked something. N people tend to... I don't know, reply really quickly and have formed their answers already in their heads, and NF people are usually more careful with their word choice and are capable of expressing themselves much better than NT people. A friend of mine is INTP, and we have insane conversations where we talk at bullet speed and we don't really know what each other is saying but we know what we hear each other say. ... We derail a lot.)

Well, it was an hour-long and class-wide test, and a lot of it was based upon mathematics. Not pattern-forming, but like... anagrams and counting numbers to see the patterns, and I'm always shit at those. It's basically a test of everything I suck balls at, and so I did horrifically for it. I wasn't the only one - just the lowest score - but there were people who scored one a hundred seventy for that test. They ended up scrapping the entire thing. I still don't know the bloody point. Also, why did you have to take an IQ test to get to junior high?!

HAHA OMG I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE. I can only do something spontaneous once I'm done with What I Have To Do Today. I only have one list, and that is my to-do list. It's my Things I HAVE to do. If I don't complete it, I can't sleep. I literally can't sleep. It's a bit sad. And whenever a friend says we're meeting up suddenly, I go all "what time are we meeting where are we going what time will we be done what will we be doing" and I basically kind of ask for an itinerary before heading out of the house. It's part of why people don't ask me out randomly anymore >_>. I've basically made myself get used to spontaneity for at least one person though, but that's more of "spontaneity is expected, so it's not really spontaneous" which... is possibly a mindscrew.

Also, entirely unrelated: is it possible for me to repost my fic for the SOG Halloween exchange and to post the SECOND post instead of the first? I suddenly realised I need edits. Bad.

[identity profile] caras-galadhon.livejournal.com 2012-10-26 01:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Ahhh, ok. Yeah, I can see why that'd have to be something you observe. ^_^ Those must be some amazing conversations.

Oh, lord. No wonder they had to scrap it. Yikes.

Also, why did you have to take an IQ test to get to junior high?!
Oh. Um, it wasn't a test to get into junior high full stop. It was to see if I qualified for a specific junior high school. It was a private school for average to above average children, and therefore you had to do the IQ test to get in. I actually saw the report the psychologist lodged some time afterwards, and it was both fascinating and baffling, because it even noted that I'd been delivered via Caesarian section, and displayed no ill effects. I was ten. I sure hope someone would have noticed any ill effects a wee bit sooner than that. O_o

Aw, I'm sorry you can't sleep if the list isn't done! *hugs* But boy, I can relate to the itinerary thing. With the exception of my parents, who were/are all about having a plan (gee, I cannot imagine where I picked that up! *snort*), I tend towards simply setting the itinerary for any plans with my friends. ("I'll pick you up at X." "We'll meet at Y." "We need to do Z.") We'll decide on what we're doing, and then I'll start quizzing them for input on the particular details. *G* I tend to shoot for agreement and accord when it comes to decisions, though, which I know feeds into the F part.

is it possible for me to repost my fic for the SOG Halloween exchange and to post the SECOND post instead of the first?
Yup! Go ahead, make the post, and either myself or Barb will reject the first post once the edited one is in the queue.

[identity profile] evocates.livejournal.com 2012-10-27 05:26 am (UTC)(link)
Apparently we don't make sense to anyone who is not us. 8D

it even noted that I'd been delivered via Caesarian section, and displayed no ill effects.

... Dude what, that's... I thought that's more for a pediatrician to check instead of a psychologist? What kind of mental damage would a kid have if delivered by C-section? That is so out of the left field, omg. Where did it even come from? How did they even know? It's a conspiracy!

I tend to shoot for agreement and accord when it comes to decisions, though, which I know feeds into the F part.

Most likely, yeah! I know that whenever I have plans that differ from a group, I would split from the ground and do my own shit alone instead of compromising. Compromise doesn't really make anyone happy, why should people compromise for me, it's the most logical decision to just do my shit myself. Apparently being T means being more of an asshole than an F. :3

Also, I sent in the edited one!

[identity profile] caras-galadhon.livejournal.com 2012-10-27 08:23 am (UTC)(link)
*G* Well, it would have been in my medical records, I imagine, and it was an emergency procedure, so... *shrug* C-section babies who have been strangled by the cord/had trouble breathing/various other conditions can suffer brain damage, I think. I don't think that was what happened in my case, but I can see why that would be a concern. That it was written up by the psychologist in my report, though, made me chuckle. Totally a conspiracy, OMG!

Ah, ok. *snerk* I figure if everyone's mostly-happy, then we can all be happy together! Also, there must be a way to solve this rubix cube puzzle of people's preferences and feelings, right? There must be some fancy solution that will make everyone all totally happy! *twists self into knots*

Oh, and because everyone else was posting their statistical results, I did mine again:

Introvert(33%) iNtuitive(25%) iNtuitive Feeling(25%) Judging(67%)
- moderate preference of Introversion over Extraversion (33%)
- moderate preference of Intuition over Sensing (25%)
- moderate preference of Feeling over Thinking (25%)
- distinctive preference of Judging over Perceiving (67%)

The bottom two tend to drift the most depending on how I answer the questions, so that the moderate Feeling preference might become distinctive, and the distinctive Judging preference becomes strong, but the top two still stay within "moderate," even when they drift. Apparently I'm Judgey McJudgerson, though, because my Judging is always high when compared to Perceiving. *shrug* Take that as you will. *G* I'm silently judging you everyone. ^_~

Ok, spiffy! I'll clear out the old copy, er, soon. Soonish. As soon as I get to it. You're all good, I think!

[identity profile] evocates.livejournal.com 2012-10-27 04:43 pm (UTC)(link)
See, the twisting yourself into knots to make everyone mostly-happy isn't my thing. I'm perfectly fine on my own, man. One of the favourite things about online stuff is that you can take your time answering people, there's no hurry about it. Also, I went to retook the test. See what you do to me? :3

Introvert(78%) iNtuitive(12%) iNtuitive Thinking(75%) Judging(56%)

You have strong preference of Introversion over Extraversion (78%)
You have slight preference of Intuition over Sensing (12%)
You have distinctive preference of Thinking over Feeling (75%)
You have moderate preference of Judging over Perceiving (56%)

... This is surprising. I didn't realise that I actually Sense things so much because I tend to be rather inobservant in real life. @_@ I'm super, super I-T, though, which is unsurprising. Also, fffff, being Judgey McJudgeperson isn't a bad thing! At least, not in MBTI's judgement sense anyway. I might be missing the joke. It's okay, I'm peering at you under the microscope. Does that make it fair?

Got it. Thanks, lovely!

[identity profile] caras-galadhon.livejournal.com 2012-10-27 10:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Hee! I am clearly head of a plot to, uh, force people to retake quizzes? I'm clearly still working on my evil powers.

Interesting! I actually think my Introversion should be higher, but I suspect my career path and a couple choices in life have basically moderated that tendency a bit. I still get really tired after socializing, which is funny when held up against a very close super extroverted friend of mine. We spend a lot of great time together, but I totally can't keep up. She becomes energized the longer we're out and socializing, and I become progressively more drained and start to lag behind. The only thing that stops her is actual, physical fatigue. ^_^

Well, like you said, the terms don't necessarily mean what they seem to mean on the surface. It's been kind of hard not to equate "Judging" with "being hyper judgmental of others," but that's not what it means anyway. *G* ...The only joke was that I wanted to say "Judgey McJudgerson," which is a silly way of saying, "an incredibly judgmental (and sometimes hypocritical) person." I think that makes us even. You're peering, and I'm judging your peering. ...Or something. *snicker*

My pleasure!

[identity profile] evocates.livejournal.com 2012-10-28 03:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Use your evil powers for good when you mastered them!!!! Which, I think, might just be defeating the point. But hey, good and evil are subjective, right? :3

Oh God, I can totally empathise with having a friend who is more extroverted than you are. It's kind of awesome sometimes because you don't really ever need to find a topic of conversation because she does that without it ever being difficult, but sometimes she just gets so animated after an outing and I'm just like nnnnngh /dying slowly from too much socialising. I always need to go somewhere and spend the whole day or at least most of the day without anyone else, man. I don't know how extroverted people do it. @_@

And then I'm peering at your judging, which makes us even more even! I might be taking this joke too far.

[identity profile] rubyelf.livejournal.com 2012-10-26 12:31 pm (UTC)(link)
I like the Meyers-Briggs tests... they are interesting, but what I come out as has changed over time. Lately it's had me as an INFJ, but the middle two tend to switch back and forth depending on my mood when I answer the test... I'm always very close to the middle on both of those... sometimes it comes up as ISTJ. So the introversion and the tendency to judgement remain consistent....

[identity profile] evocates.livejournal.com 2012-10-26 12:53 pm (UTC)(link)
HAH, that's odd. I think it might be that my perception of you is entirely online, but I've always pegged you to be an E_FP. It's even more interesting that your mood changes S/N, because from what I've heard it's the most stable trait in people: how they receive information and gain their knowledge doesn't really ever change. This is absolutely fascinating. 8D

[identity profile] rubyelf.livejournal.com 2012-10-26 01:00 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know with how busy you've been if you've read any of my recent posts about my mother and finding out that basically everything she has ever told me about myself and what a screwed-up, troubled, delicate, emotionally disturbed child I was happens to all be a complete bag of lies... even my counselor says she's extremely pathologically sick and that what she did is really rather disturbing. But I think I have always pictured myself a certain way because that's the way I always ASSUMED I was... for example, I tend to overestimate my introversion because of things like that. And as for the S/N, I think it's a conflict between the way I was TOLD I am, and the way I actually am...

Tell you what... when I get back from Home Depot with Honey I'll take the test again, knowing what I know now about my entire perception of myself from early childhood on being a lie, and see what I come up with, and I'll get back to you!

[identity profile] rubyelf.livejournal.com 2012-10-26 05:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Did the test again and came out as INFJ again. However, I came out with a 1% difference between thinking and feeling, so it could just as easily be INTJ. I fall fairly close to the line between introvert and extrovert, but what puts me in the former category is the fact that I have to be pushed pretty hard to go out and be social... I'd prefer to be at home in peace and quiet... but a lot of that could have to do with the tics. I seem to come up with N more often than S when I take it.. I think I just don't quite know how to answer their questions. My counselor says I am the perfect storm between my mother's uncontrollable mood disorder and my father's constant rationalizing, so maybe I don't know where I fall on that line. I am always RIGHT on the line between thinking and feeling, so I think those two are basically of equal importance for me, but the INFJ fits me better than any of the other ones. Also, Keirsey describes this personality type as "The Counselor" and says that we make up a little more than three percent of the population. Interesting, since I never, ever intended to be a counselor, never deliberately took a job as a counselor, and ended up becoming one anyway.

http://www.keirsey.com/4temps/counselor.asp

[identity profile] evocates.livejournal.com 2012-10-27 05:39 am (UTC)(link)
.... Haha omg the INTJ is the mastermind. I AM DR. NO apparently. Anyway.

I don't think there's a 'right way' to answer the question? Just go with what seems the most honest to you and what feels the most right. 8D

[identity profile] mooms.livejournal.com 2012-10-26 01:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Over 20 years ago, when I was a volunteer and rape counsellor for Victim Support, our group used to go away for weekends to a convent in Bristol, where the nuns (who were academics and the most worldly nuns I have ever met) taught Jungian psychology. We did extensive Myers-Briggs analysis and I was an ENFJ, although the only one of my preferences, which was distinctive, was Feeling over Thinking. My others were moderate.

I just took the test again here and I am still ENFJ. It seems pretty accurate about me to me. :D

Your Viggo and Sean analyses are interesting.I wonder how Viggo and Sean would come out if they scored themselves? :D

[identity profile] evocates.livejournal.com 2012-10-27 05:21 am (UTC)(link)
.... That sounds like an absolutely fascinating convent to visit. Nuns who are academics who teach psychology! omg *_* Might be my lack of a Christian background, but I've never thought that nuns are allowed to be practicing academics.

Woah. I just checked your personality description and the very title is already woah-worthy. I might sound completely off-base here, but I'm a major T and really kind of very introverted, and being ENFJ sounds exhausting.

I don't know! It'll be one of the mysteries of the world.

[identity profile] mooms.livejournal.com 2012-10-27 11:16 am (UTC)(link)
I should say that I am not on the least religious, but the contact with these sisters was via our coordinator, who was. None of we volunteers was religious and all the other people on the courses were very much so, but we used to really enjoy them and I have to say that the place was very peaceful and calming from the moment you stepped inside. Ths is it, for information. It's in Clifton, which is a lovely area of Bristol.

http://www.emmaushouse.org.uk/

[identity profile] evocates.livejournal.com 2012-10-27 04:33 pm (UTC)(link)
/zooms to read. Thanks for the link, lovely!